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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 7, 2006 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 7-18-72

sitting here posting/reading for the last 3hrs listening to above - I do not for the life of me no how anyone can compare ANYTHING from the 90's to what I just listened to.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 7, 2006 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

I am sitting here listening to 12 Oct 68 (thanks, AGAIN, Arbuthnot), and how anyone could stop to even consider the early 70s is really beyond me...

Just kidding. Seriously. But I have tried to change my ways and can listen to the 70s; I do prefer 73 and 77, currently, over 72. Just my old tiimer's bias for now...

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Poster: patkelley Date: Dec 7, 2006 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

wow- that's really old bias- did Bob Weir even know how to play guitar in the 1960s? Did they even use a PA system? Just kidding. Not really.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 7, 2006 5:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

That's the good news--they fired him (Bob).

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 7, 2006 8:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

I know this one is sure to get me banned for life - but what the heck u only take the ride once - right?

Bob Weir could have been anybody - as what has happened to the music since 95 proves.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 7, 2006 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

not sure i know what you mean ( and how could any comment get you banned for life on THIS forum man?)

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 7, 2006 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

meaning it was all Jerry

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 7, 2006 9:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

defintely don't agree with you one tiny bit - but that is cool - we are all entitled - the dead wouldn't have been "the dead' without weir either - no way no how

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 7, 2006 9:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

That's it...you're banned. We've been over this before. No Bob bashing allowed, or he might not be able to put his kids through college.

Of course, I have no such power, and I sort of agree with you, but I do think that the boys had something as a group--the whole being greater than the sum of the parts kind of thing. Not sure what would've happened if Bob had died...would that be the proper experiment? (Sorry Bob, kinda harsh, but we forumites like to consider all possible scenarios in our discussions.)

Whoops...looks like I just banned Dire; damn, if only I understood what Max meant about how to post under a poster...lets see, first I select the poster's name, right click while dragging the mouse with a left click toggle motion, and chanting, 'don't screw it up, don't screw it up,' and then...ah, f**k it...



This post was modified by William Tell on 2006-12-08 05:18:43

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 7, 2006 9:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

I have no problem with him - even ponied up to see Ratdog a few times - the LAST (first time since the fat man left us) being last summer - there is no reason he needs to play so many Jerry tunes

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 7, 2006 9:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

why not??? not problem with that as far as i can see - Jerry treated him like his little brother - why shoudn't Bob honor him as his big bro?? Alot of people seem to have a problem with this and i just dont see it - sorry man - please don't respond - dont want an argument tonight - it is what it is.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Dec 7, 2006 9:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

Never seen Ratdog myself, neither the bearded nor non-bearded versions. However, if Bob wants to play Jerry tunes, it only shows respect for the fat man, and not disrespect on Weir's part. "Imitation" is the highest form of compliment an artist can give to another.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 7, 2006 9:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

you said it my friend (plus he does the songs justice from the numerous times ive seen bobby do them - he sounds great and emotional doing the jerry tunes - he doesn't just walk through them)

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Dec 7, 2006 9:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

Ya, we both said it friend, 'bout the same time. I mean, i know that it's easy to employ a reflex action against Weir for his 'see ya' comments and the whole soundboard thing, but at the end of the day, what this archive offers and what the GD have given the world and its fans for the thirty years they were around, i don't know man, but i've got no problems with Weir and company. Yes, i'm of course partial to Jerry ... but that's nothing against Bob and his immense contributions to the GD sound.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 7, 2006 9:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

ive got no problem with the boys either - after all this time has passes and we still have what we have here - that one instance of "see ya" is long forgotten. it was a comment made ( i believe) during an interview after a show (i.e. late) - lord knows the comments that have flown around here late at night that havent been meant the way they came across. I'll give Bob the benefit of the doubt since that was the only negative comment ive heard from the man since then. and since then, all has been cool. actually, since the boards have been pulled, this site has been so much more fun and ive met so many more cool people and got into so much more trading, it has really been a godsend - i'm really much more happy now than i was last year - and that is no lie - this is awesome thanks to you and the other great members of the LMA!!!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Dec 7, 2006 9:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

... but you're still the 'king' of course :P

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 7, 2006 10:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

the king of nonsense

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Dec 8, 2006 5:55am
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the King of nonsense?? does that mean I'm NOT 25years old now????? thanks alot! :P

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Poster: cush11 Date: Dec 7, 2006 9:54pm
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Maybe in the long run run it would be better if nobody played Jerry/Hunter tunes anymore. Then there would be no reason to go hear LIVE music and party and dance and have fun! The world would be a much better place for all if those damned Garcia songs just went away!!!!!!

Good call on the little brotherpart, little brother...

Not sure where this will land on the thread, so I hope it makes sense.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Dec 8, 2006 5:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

No, it doesnt make sense. You're banned too, forever.
p.s. I actually didnt intend to start a Weir-bashing thread. I love Bob Weir and the GD would not have been the same without him, for better or worse.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Dec 7, 2006 3:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

what is this, a preemptive dick-move?

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Dec 7, 2006 4:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

that's exactly it, the eras don't compare...

there certainly exists moments of transcendence in the 90s perhaps not as much so as in the early 70s...

07-16-1972 is a great show, check out 07-26-1972 if you got a chance...

72 is brilliant...July through December was a peak...

This post was modified by stratocaster on 2006-12-08 00:30:55

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 7, 2006 6:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

True (they don't compare).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 7, 2006 8:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

also depends in what one is looking for in the music or even in a particular song or even in a paricular mood - damn plenty of moments of transcendence during 87-90 in my opinion (though those are not my favorite years) but damn fine one imho

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 7, 2006 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

Yep; there is just so much there over all the years...amazing how we can change as individuals, coming to appreciate songs or periods that at one time didn't do it for us, etc. And, I credit the electronic/digital age, at least for me, for allowing alot of this growth/shift/whatever, to even occur...and the people, such as the folks here, with providing prompts and suggestions, feedback and even a healthy discussion now and again.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Dec 7, 2006 11:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

42!! In all honesty.. I would believe, in a psychological sense that all of your life experiences by now would add and, accumulate, and culminate into your own mindset that everything has it's positives and negatives. You speak of the 90's as though it is only negative man.. forgoet that stupid connotation of 90's dead.....

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Dec 7, 2006 11:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 7-18-72

In all fairness.. like others said.. 90's is a different sound. YOU EAR is capable of tending to any sound.. it is what you let it like.. unconsciously that is. That's why you get those pop songs stuck in your head. Basically.. if you forget all the shit that is said about 90's dead..you can respect it.. because you are listening with an open ear. If you EVEN EXPECT to compare it to 72 dead.. well man... you better go midget off to some 72 show because that is what you are accustomed to listening to. in my drunken goddamn opinion, the dead is about listening. Not comparing. LISTEN to that 90's show.. dont HEAR it OR compare it.. just listen to it. forget the rest.. just ear what you hear.. and I guarantee you will find something soothing and pacifistic and tranquil.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Dec 7, 2006 5:35pm
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Off topic, but.. I'm just curious ducats.. May I ask how old you are?

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 7, 2006 8:44pm
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